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Asobo Cessna Citation Longitude Flight Dynamics Modifications Project

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  • 2.02
  • 7 months ago

March 25, 2023: I've gotten some time with the WT AAU1 Longitude effort and felt like this modification project still has merit, specifically with respect to aircraft handling and performance. So I've simplified the package a bit, returning many values to the new default values, but retained the performance, handling, and engine peformance that were part of the prior versions of the modification project. I hope you enjoy these changes. Please comment any issues you find with handling and aircraft performance in the comments below or on my MSFS official forum page. Longitude Mod Forum Page

IMPORTANT, READ FIRST
Installation / Mod Package Notes: 

  • You must have the deluxe premium edition of MSFS 2020 with the stock Longitude model to use this Mod. This mod is not a stand-alone aircraft. If you install without, you will see game crashes.
  • After each sim update, if not automatically done for you and if you haven't done so already, you must also update the premium and deluxe premium content from the in-game content manager or you will not be able to use the Longitude (and other aircraft) properly.
  • This mod doesn't address ANY major avionics modifications to the PFD or MFDs or general cockpit functionality. Unless you can clearly demonstrate otherwise, any bugs or issues with the cockpit functionality are not related to this mod. Please DO NOT inquire about avionics or instruments faults or bugs that you find with the game's default avionics - I can't help you. These are not the subject of this mod and I am not affiliated with Working Title.
  • You must have Modern flight model enabled to use this mod. It will not work properly with Legacy flight model settings.
  • To confirm correct installation, when in the livery selection menu for the Longitude in MSFS2020, the default Asobo Longitude livery will display the following in the variant area "FDE Fix VX.XX" depending on the install version you choose. This will help you quickly identify whether installation of the package was successful and identify package version - this version information will only show up under the default Asobo livery listing and not other liveries, however the performance modifications will be applied to all other stock liveries or third party liveries you have installed.
  • The mod does not work with all third party liveries. Some third party liveries are old/out of date and never did or no longer follow proper file structure / installation guidelines and are not compatible. As a result you may see instability or crashes when you do attempt to use these liveries. 
  • If your install doesn't work initially, before posting here or on the forum, please close the sim and remove the mod from the community folder. Start the sim and completely reinstall your default Longitude from the Content Manager under your Profile area to ensure you have the latest version. Verify the stock / default Longitude is present and works correctly. Close the sim. Re-download the package here and then re-install the mod as directed (downloads from this site can become corrupted, so that can be a cause of problems with the mod). Restart the sim and verify installation. If this doesn't work, PM me. 

 

Asobo Cessna Citation Model 700 Longitude Performance and Flight Dynamics Modifications Project Version 2.02

Please check out the chatter and follow the progress of this project on the offical MSFS 2020 Forum:
Longitude mod forum page

Updated for compatibility with AAU1 Working Title package and SU12

-Revised thrust mapping table to eliminate reverser sounds and thrust drag when engines idled at high a/c speeds.
-Reduction in flaps drag for more realistic performance esp. at full flaps.
-Increased available thrust at lower engine rpm settings at lower speeds
-Increased flaps lift to further match Vref and Vapp speeds.
-Reduced oscillations around roll axis on instrument/localizer approaches.


Please see version notes in the included install_readme file for a list of all changes made since project inception and a list of open items / known issues.

Installation:

  • Download the .zip file and extract to desktop or other location of choice.
  • Install in your Community folder
  • Start the sim and enjoy the modded Longitude.
  • Please read and follow the installation instructions in the included Install_ReadmeVX.XX.txt file carefully.




The Cessna Citation Model 700 Longitude Performance and Flight Dynamics Modifications Project:

Back in 2021, after reading user comments on the forums regarding the Cessna Citation Longitude model from Asobo concerning major autopilot problems, inaccurate weights, fuel load, fuel consumption, handling, etc... and due to my own poor experience and frustration with Asobo's starting efforts, I started work on revising a wide variety of parameters in the configuration files. I'm not a Longitude pilot, so my modifications are based on comments on forum topics from those who fly the type, and generous contributions of real world C700 aircraft performance charts, flight manuals, and checklists from fellow flight-sim enthusiasts who also fly IRL for a living. Input from type-rated pilots with knowledge of the aircraft handling and envelope will always be greatly valued. 

As of 2023 Working Title has now taken over development of the stock Longitude. My latest efforts are more focused on handling and performance characteristics and I make no attempts to modify or improve on their well implemented avionics suite upgrades to the model as part of AAU1. 

I have modified a great many variables and parameters in the available configuration files. I would greatly appreciate feedback on handling, control sensitivies, or other performance related parameters from knowledgable sources so I can continue to improve and update these modifications. If I missed something or you find a performance "glitch" please let me know.


NOTE: My adjustments are generally focused on performance and handling. Any issues with avionics or cockpit system are not the subject of this modification. 

I have modified a many variables and parameters in the available configuration files. I would greatly appreciate feedback on handling, control sensitivies, or other performance related parameters from knowledgable sources so I can continue to improve and update these modifications. If I missed something or you find a performance "glitch" please let me know.

Contribution credit and acknowledgements can be found in the Install_ReadmeVX.XX file included. 

Base Product

This add-on is related to Citation Longitude.

Nedávný seznam změn for 2.02

-Revised thrust mapping table to eliminate reverser sounds and thrust drag when engines idled at high a/c speeds.
-Reduction in flaps drag for more realistic performance esp. at full flaps.
-Increased available thrust at lower engine rpm settings at lower speeds
-Increased flaps lift to further match Vref and Vapp speeds.
-Reduced oscillations around roll axis on instrument/localizer approaches.

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Excelent Addon

1 months ago

GIBIN

Installed the most recent update and VNAV was erratic on climbout, pitching up to over 15000fpm at one point then diving to regain speed. I had to control the climb manually to reach cruise altitude. No problems on descent.

3 months ago

binyamFS

Thank you soo much for continuing to update this mod...

7 months ago

rock0613

Found that your project was updated in the middle of 1400 nm flight on C700. Now i can't wait to land and try it out! This changes are very much needed.

8 months ago

Junglist

The VR speeds not working ,always showing , check for Flaps in yellow

8 months ago

18conejoST

Thank you. 1st time flying the Longitude in a few months. Glad to be in the Longitude again. 😉

8 months ago

LuckyBogey

Great stuff, before this mod the Longitude just crashed at landings, didnt matter what i do. Now its really cool to land this bird.

8 months ago

Steverayparker

The new update sucks. My landings were butter with the mod but every landing is hard now. Please don't abandon.

9 months ago

Rezalated13

Continued or not, thanks for this. This plane was my go to, thanks to your mod.

9 months ago

HalEdison

Up to now, the AAU1 model is only satisfactory in the sense that it fixes some of the issues with the model. Personally I love my planes cold start procedures and this model lacks a panel.xml file with all the bells and rings. Some of the lvars are not animated, for example the parking brake; instead the mouse is the only way to activate them.

This is compared with the CJ4 which was modded by the same group.

9 months ago

Ev1lT1ck

I hope this mod continues to be developed. Asobo's longitude is somewhat unstable. The AAU update is quite satisfactory, but the longitude's flight performance is still unsettling.

9 months ago

chunsajihuni

Your work is absolutely fantastic. Thank you.

9 months ago

jp55

I think the latest update, which came out today, broke the mod.

10 months ago

aeternali

Hello, i installed the aircraft-longitudeFDEfix_OnAir file, and in the middle of the flight msfs crashed, sorry, i deleted, notice that i use STEAM msfs anyway keep on.

12 months ago

magirus98

Works great, it's a pleasure flying with this mod. Thank you!

12 months ago

Godzilla32


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Comments

Great mod! I did several flights with and without to better judge differences with the default longitude. It handles better in general especially on takeoff and landing. However, i noticed something very subtle that seems to come from the mod. While the plane is banking in cruise to follow a new heading, it does so incrementally (2 - 3 increments, bank - stop - further bank - stop - further final bank - hold bank). It happens quick and smooth enough so it can be missed by anyone not paying attention, but it's there. Without the mod, there's no such "incremental banks"...

13 days ago

sarrjan187

Can the door be operated?

1 months ago

Mro03

Excelent Addon

1 months ago

GIBIN

Hi
Is this mod still applicable as per August 20 - 2023 &
latest sim updates?
-and thanks for this mod, and that it is updated 😊

3 months ago

Wondering the same thing

2 months ago

headlesshershel

ErnieBall

Installed the most recent update and VNAV was erratic on climbout, pitching up to over 15000fpm at one point then diving to regain speed. I had to control the climb manually to reach cruise altitude. No problems on descent.

3 months ago

binyamFS

Hi, I am having a lot of trouble setting up my Thrustmaster Quadrant throttles to work the Citation Longitude, any guidance would be appreciated.

4 months ago

Eu possuo mesmo problema. a alternativa que tive que fazer foi utilizar o AT o tempo todo, utilizando o acelerador apenas após a desconectar do piloto automático no pouso.

4 months ago

ownogueira

G_RHAM

Manifest file still says 2.0.0, and an ancient sim build number.

6 months ago

Tailhook

Thank you soo much for continuing to update this mod...

7 months ago

rock0613

Thanks again for another update (v2.01)!

7 months ago

Dillon

Any chance this project would ever work with 3rd party liveries? Also enjoyed the realistic flight dynamics from this mod.

7 months ago

Should work with third party liveries. Are you having issues with your liveries?

7 months ago

dakfly0219

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Godzilla32

Found that your project was updated in the middle of 1400 nm flight on C700. Now i can't wait to land and try it out! This changes are very much needed.

8 months ago

Junglist

The VR speeds not working ,always showing , check for Flaps in yellow

8 months ago

have you tried setting your flaps....?

6 months ago

VJC009

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18conejoST

-Reduced ground effect to reduce float over runway during landings found in prior mod versions.

Why, tho? It floats a bunch in real life.

This mod was a life saver prior to AAU1, but from everything I've seen and read the new version in game is super accurate to the real thing. Working Title had access to several IRL Longitude pilots, giving them super close to the book numbers, and a FADEC map direct from the manufacturer.

8 months ago

If it's not of interest to you, don't use it. Others have requested this updated to help with handling feel. As my notes said, I've tried to keep most of the default values that WT incorporated into the AAU update. Ground effect - still floats a lot if you don't come in at a low enough speed over the threshold - my prior effort made it very difficult to get the nose onto the ground. This corrects that. Enjoy. Or don't.

8 months ago

dakfly0219

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Lysdestic

Hi, I just did the first flight with your mod and I noticed two things:

  • When setting the flaps to 1, in the MFD it passed through the one marking and stopped shortly after, at around "1.2". Same for flaps 2. As a result I could not validate TKOF speeds, because the selected flap setting (1) did not match the actual flap position ("1.2").
  • I was rather light (ca. 30% fuel and 6 pax), but still climbed out at 8000 fpm. Not sure, if the Longitude is THAT powerful?

8 months ago

Should be that powerful with that low a fuel load. You've got at least 15k lbs of thrust (sea level) for a 30k lb aircraft at that fuel load. Flaps settings - they'll still be accurate based on lift coefficients. If you're saying that there's a conflict with the garmin system speeds, let me know and I'll take a peek.

8 months ago

dakfly0219

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hoermir

Thank you. 1st time flying the Longitude in a few months. Glad to be in the Longitude again. 😉

8 months ago

LuckyBogey


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